Tuesday, September 12, 2006

Proof #1: Jesus' own testimony on the Judgement Day

This short dialogue takes place between God and Jesus on the Judgment Day when he is asked if he gave his followers the belief of his own and his mother's divinity. He responds in the negative and begs complete ignorance on what happened after his death.


“And I said nothing to them except that which Thou didst command me ‘Worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord.’ And I was a witness over them as long as I remained among them, but since Thou didst cause me to die, Thou hast been the Watcher over them; and Thou art Witness over all things. (5:118) more translations

Argument 1:
This verse talks of two different and distinct phases of Jesus’ existence in relation to his people: one in which he was among them and the other when he was no longer among them. The boundary between these two phases is defined by the Arabic word "tawaffi". His absence from among his people is preceded by the state of tawaffi. The question is whether Jesus is present among his people or is he absent from his people? If he is not among his people then the state of tawaffi has surely preceded this state of absence.

Argument 2:
According to this verse, Jesus is keen to point out that the Christian belief in his divinity was not in existence as long as he was among his people, it only took root after Allah had caused tawaffi to him. The doctrine of Jesus' “Sonship” as a part of the Holy Trinity is a well established fact among Christians, so in light of the above verse it must be concluded that Jesus has already met his tawaffi.

The only reasonable conclusion that may be drawn from this verse is that Jesus has already gone through the state of tawaffi, and if tawaffi means death then this verse is directly asserting that he has already died.

Meaning of Tawaffi
This word has been used twenty four times in the Holy Quran, in all cases it means one of two things: death or sleep. Where the act is committed by God or the angels, and the object upon which this act is committed is a human, Tawaffi simply means death, except when it is used in conjunction with the qualifier 'night', in which case it means sleep. In all cases it applies to a person's soul and not to the body, and there is no exception to this in the entire compendium of Arabic literature, past or present.

Here is a complete list of verses using this word: 2:235, 2:241; 3:194; 4:16, 4:98; 6:61, 6:62; 7:38, 7:127; 13:41; 10:47, 10:105; 12:102; 16:33, 16:71; 22:6; 32:12; 39:43; 40:68, 40:78; 47:28; (this reference scheme counts Bismillah as the first verse of every chapter)

Usage of Tawaffi in Hadith
Holy Prophetsaw has used Tawaffi in exactly same context in relation to himself. This Hadith is taken from Buhkari Kitab-ul-Anbiya and Commentary on chapter Al-Maida:


Ibne-Abbas narrates that the Holy Prophet said: “On the Day of Judgement I will see some people from among my companions being taken to the Left. Upon seeing them I will say, ‘my companions! my companions!’. I will be told that when I parted from them they turned back on their heels. At that point I will say the same thing what (Jesus son of Mary) the righteous had said: that while I was among them I watched over them but once You caused me to die (Tawaffi) it was You alone who watched over them.”

This hadith shows that the nature of tawaffi of Jesus is the same as the nature of tawaffi of the Holy Prophet. If that was not the case, Holy Prophet would not have said I will say what Jesus had said …. It is noteworthy that the Holy Prophet uses the same word and uses it in the exact same context.

Furthermore, Imam Bukhari quotes Ibn-e-Abbas saying tawaffi means death. (Bukhari Kitab-ut-Tafseer under Maidah verse 118). Note this statement from Ibn-e-Abbas is in relation to this particular verse and is taken from one of the most trusted sources of Islam.

The commonly understood meaning of the word tawaffi is death. The same word is used in funeral prayers (namaaz-e-janaza), where it is said: Cause us to die (tawaffi) in the state of submission.

Lexical Meaning of Tawaffi
Assas-ul-Balagha, Qamoos, Taj-ul-Uroos, Lisaan-ul-Arab, Sihah-e-Johri, Farhang-e-Asaphia all agree that tawaffi means death.

Corollary: He is never going to return
When God asks Jesus about certain Christian beliefs, he pleads ignorance and says that he has absolutely no idea what happened after his death. Remember this conversation takes place on the Day of Judgment. Now, would this be a truthful testimony if he had only a few years ago (40, as is claimed) made his second in-person appearance on earth, taken a good stock of the situation, done what he could to put matters straight and even waged a holy war against the Christians on account of their false beliefs? Surely in that circumstance his testimony would have been entirely different. He would have defended himself saying that while it is quite true that after being supernaturally raised to the heavens, and staying, supernaturally, alive for thousands of years without food or drink, and his poor followers on observing all this unique supernatural phenomena about him getting misled into concluding that he was a divine being, HOWEVER, once he landed on Earth he had strenuously refuted the claims of his divinity and worked on removing any confusion about his status as a normal, yet immensely talented, human being, and had forcefully made the Christians realize the error of their false beliefs. He says none of this, all he has to say is I just don't know! Conclusion: he never really returns.


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41 comments:

Mahmud said...

Hah!Mistranslation...the Quran doea not say "die"in verse(5:118)
Instead it says

"I was witness over them them while I dwelt amongst them; when you did take me up you were the watcher over them"(5:118)

Mahmud said...

The translation "when you caused me to die" is not right instead the actual translation is "when you did take me up"...so here quran is not indicating about making jesus being died but it is actually indicating towards the fact that jesus was taken up...and this misconception came because of the mistranslation that you made and thats why I would like to request you to read the proper translation of the Quran..Translated by Yousuf Ali

Mahmud said...

Same mistake in case of the second proof.... the actual translation is

"O Jesus I will take you and rise you to myself and clear You(of falsehood)" (3:55)

POint to be noted in each case you have translated "TAKEN UP" as "DIED" The fact is that Arabic is a bit complicated language to understand but easy to learn...the fact is here that one word in Arabic might contain several meaning. In order to get the actual meaning you will have to understand the context of the verse, which by the way is very important!!

Febri Saputra said...

r u drunk or sumthin?

MOHD HAFIZ BIN SAAD said...

Don't change the meaning of Quran..you should ask Ulama for the real translation

Anonymous said...

AOA

The translation of the root 'و ف ی' is incorrect. For death Quran uses the word 'م و ت'

Meaning for word death is definitve; but one for twaffani is not. YOU NEED TO STUDY ARABIC BEFORE MAKING NAY CONCLUSIONS

KH
Mazhar

Asif Omer said...

Mazhar

In over twenty places Holy Quran uses 'و ف ی' to mean death. See above

Anonymous said...

The Isa of the Quran and Jesus in the New Testament are two different persons. Arab Christians do not use Isa for Jesus. The Maryam that is mentioned in the Quran is also different. The birth of Isa in the Quran and Jesus in the Gospel are also different. Please take note. Oh, and also Quran does not speak of Isa being crucified.

GEORGE said...

JESUS IS THE SON OF JEHOVAH(BIBLE),ALLAH(QURAN).JESUS SAYS THE ONE WHO SEE ME WILL ALSO SEE MY FATHER(JEHOVAH).JESUS ALSO SAYS AM AND MY FATHER(JEHOVAH)ARE ONE.WHEN JESUS TOOK WATER BABTISM,THE HEAVENS OPENED A "SPIRIT CAME IN THE FORM OF PIGEON(BIRD) SAT ON JESUS' SHOULDER" AND A THUNDER VOICE CAME FROM HEAVEN AND SAID "THIS IS MY LOVABLE SON AND I LOVE HIM".SO GOD IS ONE BUT HE IS 'TRINITY'
1.FATHER(JEHOVAH)
2.HIS WORD OR SON(JESUS CHRIST)
3.HIS SPIRIT OR SOUL(HOLY SPIRIT)
GOD MADE MAN IN HIS IMAGE
1.BODY(FLESH OR SKIN)
2.SOUL(MAN'S MIND)
3.SPIRIT(MAN'S CHARECTER)
*THE FIRST MAN(ADAM)DID SIN BY REJECTING GOD'S ORDER.SO SIN CAME INTO MAN BY FLESH AND BRINGS DEATH.
*THE SECOND MAN(JESUS)BORN BY JEHOVAH'S OR ALLAH'S SPIRIT CAME AS A FLESH INTO THE WORLD DESTROYS THE SIN THROUGH HIS DEATH IN CROSS AND IN THIRD DAY HE AROSE OR RESSURECTED FRON DEATH AND LIVED IN EARTH FOR 40 DAYS AND WENT TO HEAVEN.
*SO WE ALL DEAD BY 1 MAN AND WE ALL GO TO HEAVEN BY ONE MAN.
*THOSE WHO REJECT JESUS(GOD'S SON OR GOD'S WORD)CANNOT GO TO HEVEN WHERE GOD LIVES.

Anonymous said...

to george, if u talking about who son or who father, we moeslem cannot accept that because there are are plenty son of god in the bible, when jesus say 'The one who see me will also see my father, thats mean the one who follow jesus(the truth path) will also follow Father(the truth path). Jesus never say I am god and worshipped me in the bible, try to search for it, plus, why when jesus being crucified he say 'Eli eli lama sabakhtani' and means ' God, god why u leave me', the christian beleive jesus came down to earth to die for their sin, but why when he being crucified he ask god for help, and to whom he seek for help......

Anonymous said...

but christians do not worship jesus, they worship god. they do say things like "through jesus christ" which requests intercession, not unlike the shia.

you should also check out the difference between worship and veneration. mary is venerated by some.

as for the exact relationship of jesus to god - who knows? its enough to follow the teachings. they are non-violent. tom

Anonymous said...

The notion of Trinity appeared during the rule of pagan Roman emperror constantine.

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Anonymous said...

As far as I am concern God is supreme beyond our imagination. So,we should stop castigating and leave the end judgement to God alone thus try to be harmonious and tolerance while on this planet earth.

Anonymous said...

Bro,
Proof 1 is not 5:118 but an extract from 5:117
The word there is not "die" but instead "Take me up" there are various comments and discussions on such an issue.
I think you need to review your imaan
Never have I read anywhere in Islamic literature that Jesus a.s died rather then he was raised/taken up to his creator. Unlike the christians belive that he died to save the upcoming generations from the sins they commit........

Anonymous said...

it is good that you search in the Quran to try to prove your point, although your translation is weak, but if you take Quran as a witness,then why don't you hear the Quran when it says, that jesus said: i am the servant of god, he gave me the book(gospel) and made me a prophet(messanger). and in another sura,it says, he wasn't killed, but so they thought(or could be translated: but another person like him was)

Anonymous said...

No, your wrong. Jesus a.s. is still alive and will come back when Dajjal appears.

boombastic said...

Jesus A.S will come back to eliminate Yakjuj & Makjuj and also to tell the christian to worship Allah not him, also to take charge of the world before Day Of Judgement...Wallahu Alam

jamil said...

my friend george,
Dont pass out the wrong message if you do not have the proper knowledge.you also dont have the ability to understand the verses of Quran.if you really want to know the fact then,you have to take help from ulema.otherwise if you only want to make fun then you are one of the biggest fool.Before you, many people tried to make this kind of rubbish message but their effort is in vain.

sadaf said...

JESUS A.S IS DEAD BY HIS IDENTITY BEFORE THE CHRISTINS BUT AS IT ALSO CLARIFIES THAT HE LEFT THIS WORLD BEFORE GIVING HIS PROOF THAT HE WAS GOING UP TO HEAVEN AND WILL SUREL COME WHEN THE RIGHT TIME WILL COME(NEAR TO DOOMSDAY) AND WILL JOIN MUSLIM AND WILL ALSO OFFER SALAT.THIS CAN ALSO BE CLERIFIED THAT THE CHRISTIANS OF CURRENT PERIOD OF MOSTLY AFTER THE DEPARTURE OF JESUS FROM THIS WORLD ARE EVEN NOT ORIGINAL CHRISTIANS BECAUSE THE BIBLE THAT IS PREVAILING TODAY IS THE BIBLE OF DAVID WHO WAS A TRAVELLER WHO WROTE THE BIIBLE AFTER 200 YEARS(APPROX)WAS WRITTEN AS PER THE LISTENINGS OF PEOPLES OF HIS VILLAGE SO ITS SURE THAT PEOPLE KNOWING ABOUT JESUS'S DEATH AS PER BIBLE IS WRONG AND JESUS WILL DESCEND AGAIN(INSHALLAH).....AMEEN

Anonymous said...

allah said in quran و ما قتل و ما صلب و لكن شبه له
so jusus didnt die and he is alive now at the 2nd sky and he will descend insha2allah

A, said...

@Anonymous: There are billions upon billions of people who have "neither been killed nor crucified". Using your logic, they must all be alive on the 2nd sky!

Anonymous said...

It is clear verse about jesus that he was protected and ascended to heavens and it is our duty to recite Quran with Tafseer and with authentic translation.

Awais Ahmad said...

man you need to learn Arabic n also attend some classes of "logic n reasoning" you r really week at it. some lecturs of zakir naik n Manzoor Chinyoti may also b helpful

Awais Ahmad said...

Replies to all these fictitious proofs are given here

http://www.islamunity.org/research--articles/humanity/132-eesa-alaihi-ssalam-is-alive

raza said...

GOOD WORK,I REALLY APPRECIATE.ALSO WORK ON THE MUWADAT OF IMAM ALI A.S.

Anonymous said...

should we believe that the Quaran is a heretical teaching? There is a proof in the New Testament, Galatians 1: 6-9; that outrightly rejects any other gospel other than the Gospel of Jesus Christ. ( if we base our belief on the teaching of the Bible as you based yours on that of the Quaran to prove your stand)

Anonymous said...

should we believe that the Quaran is a heretical teaching? There is a proof in the New Testament, Galatians 1: 6-9; that outrightly rejects any other gospel other than the Gospel of Jesus Christ. ( if we base our belief on the teaching of the Bible as you based yours on that of the Quaran to prove your stand)

Saad Saud said...

Alhamdulillah Uwais, FAMAN SHAA FAL YUMIN WAMAN SHAA FAL YAKFUR........

INNA RABBAKA LABIR MIRSAD.

Samra said...

Bang Bang!

If it was a neutral analysis, you might have earned some respect for conducting such a "detailed" research. These comments have ripped apart your "scholarly" qadiani approach of using quran as tool to serve your vicious purpose.

Bang Bang!

M.Zeeshan said...

How you translate The Quran your own self???? you have no idea about its just one word , how you translate the "Ayyat". Dun't make any mistake on which Allah give you big punish. I warn you.Accept your mistake !

M.Zeeshan said...

its too wrong page , some one more say that ALI "A.S"
All we know that Hazrat Mohammad S.A.W is the 100% last prophet, now no prophet is come till Qiyamat"the judgment day", please correct your concept other wise you know about The super and big power the "ALLAH"

Shaheryar said...

My friends, {(shiaz, sunnis) & Christians}

i urge you all to get hold of the fact that both religions teach to bring harmony amongst people. so, lets not quarrel over all of this, Lets "come to common terms between us and you", we both know that Jesus/ISA was sent from ALLAH/GOD. Lets quarrel with people who dont think he even existed!!!

Let us (muslims & christians) ask ALLAH(in our prayers), before going to sleep at night, that ALLAH shows us the right path, path to acheive salvation, path through which we can recognize the Antichrist and fight against DAJJAL.

May peace be on all of you.

Shaheryar said...

My Friends,(Muslims & Christians)

Lets not quarell amongst each other, i think our religion tell us to create harmony amongst people. let us "come to common terms between us and you". We both know that Jesus came to this earth, he was sent by God/ALLAH, and that he gave us Bible/Injeel. We should quarell with people who do not think he even existed!!!

Remember, both of us have to fight Antichrist/DAJJAL, so why quarell amongst ourselves???

May ALLAH be with us all.

Peace be upon all of us.

Anonymous said...

JESUS BIRTH WITHOUT A FATHER TO MARRY WAS A MIRACLE, SO NO WONDER THAT HIS LIFTING UP BY ALLAH TO SKIES IS ALSO A MIRACLE.Think over it man. I pray you see the truth and come to right path and succeed in both worlds. Ameen.

Arjumand said...

http://forum.challengeyoursoul.com/forum/topic3614.html#11755

Arjumand said...

'I and My father are one' explained
http://forum.challengeyoursoul.com/forum/topic4053.html#12995

NEE said...

And [on account of] their saying: "We killed the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, Messenger of God." They did not kill him and they did not crucify him, but it was made to seem so to them. Those who argue about him are in doubt about it. They have no real knowledge of it, just conjecture. But they certainly did not kill him. (Surat An-Nisa', 4:157)

God raised him [Jesus] up to Himself. God is Almighty, All-Wise. (Surat An-Nisa', 4:158)

[Jesus said,] "Peace be upon me the day I was born, the day I die, and the day I am raised up again alive." (Surah Maryam, 19:33)

There is not one of the People of the Book who will not believe in him before he dies; and on the Day of Resurrection he [Jesus] will be a witness against them. (Surat An-Nisa', 4:159)

Imran Sheikh said...

Dear Asif Omer,

It is simply self deception and misguidance to others. Prophet Jesus(peace and blessings be upon him) is the only prophet raised up alive, he never died and would comeback to this world by the order and will of the Almighty Allah and will die not as a prophet but as a follower of the Last Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) in the time to come.May ALLAH guide you to the right path so you may prosper in this world and the hereafter, not forgetting that there is hell which certainly be filled with misguided and unjust people. Hope you understand,it would not be that easy because the devil has misguided you, its time to defeat the devil and correct your views or that of your forefathers. My Job was to make you aware. Rest is totally up to you.Heaven or Hell your choice. Read the translation and visit www.irf.net

Anonymous said...

MAY GOD HAVE MERCY ON US ALL.
ONLY GOD CAN JUDGE AND ONLY HIM ALONE KNOW'S HIS TRUE WORSHIPPERS.

I BELIEVE IN GOD (TRINITY)AND WILL KEEP SERVING HIM THROUGH CHRIST JESUS, AMEN.

sal said...

Everyone needs to read the whole article. I see proof everywhere, but no one is willing to look at it with an open mind, instead, they are defending their own views.